Thursday, September 5, 2024

A little railway history in Toronto

As I mentioned in my previous post, a June family trip to Toronto turned out to be a gold mine of railfanning fun for me, as I watched a fair bit of downtown commuter trains in action. Then there was the railfanning I did en route to the city. It was a fun weekend, which included a chance to visit the Toronto Railway Historical Society's Roundhouse Park museum in the old roundhouse across Bremner Boulevard from the Rogers Centre and CN Tower. 

This facility, known more commonly to railfans as the old John Street roundhouse, still has a working roundtable, which the museum uses to shuttle its cars to different positions throughout Roundhouse Park. There are old vintage station buildings (the former Don station), maintenance structures and a few places to grab a bite to eat in the actual roundhouse. It's a great place to visit on a summer day. I always make it a point to visit this park when I'm in the area.

Of course, it shouldn't be a surprise to any knowledgeable railfan that there's a roundhouse near the stadium, as this part of Toronto's core was once almost exclusively railway land. You can read about the history of the area in numerous posts Eric Gagnon has shared over the years in his Trackside Treasure blog. At one point, CN, CP, Via and Ontario Northland trains all shared trackage in this area. The roundhouse is the last vestige of this industrial past.

This early piece of GO Transit equipment was new to me. The last time I was at the park, this was in the roundhouse. People who know about GO's history know that its early days were a cobbled collection of cast-offs from other railways (sound familiar? Via? Amtrak?). This cab car, an exception to this rule, was built for GO in 1967 by Hawker-Siddeley in Thunder Bay (later Bombardier). The car, RTC-85 SP/D numbered 104, allowed trains to be used in push-pull mode, with full engineer controls in the car. This car was officially retired in 1994, when it was sold to the Montreal commuter agency before ending up being used in the Gaspé region for passenger operations. Metrolinx reacquired 104 to mark GO's 50th anniversary in 2016.


 

This old Baldwin switcher was parked behind a fence near the old coaling tower. Its numbering had not been stencilled onto the cab. I checked the TRHA website, which only lists CP 7020 on its roster, an S2 dating back from 1944, when it was at the forefront of dieselization efforts across the system. That old switcher bore the mulitmark scheme for years until it was repainted in its original CP switcher scheme, as delivered from the manufacturer. 

 

Here's a shot of 7020 when it was decked out in the action scheme, from my visit to the old John Street roundhouse in 2016. There are many differences between 7020 and the unnumbered maroon unit. The side grills and the trucks are both quite different, as is the front headlight. So the identity of the engine near the old coaling tower is a bit of a mystery. Anyone out there know more?


I found it interesting that the car hitched onto the old maroon switcher was stencilled for cider purposes. A real throwback to when railways carried more perishables.

Beside the old Baldwin was Canadian National 4-8-4 U-2g class Northern steam locomotive 6213. Built by the Montreal Locomotive Works in 1942, it served in both freight and passenger operations between Nova Scotia and Saskatchewan. The engine would have been serviced at the old Spadina Street roundhouse, which is now where the baseball stadium sits. This would have been among one of the last steam locomotives built for CN, as dieselization was already well underway in the mid-1940s.

These old wooden cabooses were particularly popular with people roaming through the park, as they are anomalies for people not old enough to remember them in use. I am pleased to say that I am in fact old enough to at least remember the old steel cabooses in use, although I can't say I ever saw one of these old ones in use. The orange caboose dates back to 1920 and is clad in the classic CNR maple leaf scheme while the other, built in 1921, is in the Toronto, Hamilton & Buffalo maroon scheme.

I like this old olive green clad CN GP7 high hood unit. I had to wait quite a long time for two teenagers to get off the walkways so I could get a clean shot of this unit. This locomotive was delivered to CN from GM Diesel in London. The museum says this unit is significant in that it is one of the few GP7s that is still largely intact with its original parts. The only thing missing is its traction motors. The unit was one of the few, the museum says, that was not cosmetically altered. It still has its high hood and most of its original controls. I tried to get a shot of it with the old CNR caboose in the background.

The museum's old 50-tonne Whitcomb switcher was hiding in the roundhouse. It was built in Kingston by the Canadian Locomotive Company and was used for an aggregates company for years before making its way to a heritage operation and finally to the Toronto musueum. This unit is clad in the old TH&B scheme. It is fully operational and is often used for switching the museum's rolling stock around.

Here's the switcher on the turntable from 2016.


 I didn't stay at the roundhouse park long, as we had a lot of other things to do and a baseball game to get ready for, but I did make sure to snap a quick shot of this old heavyweight Canadian Pacific passenger car. The museum had a few such cars, one of which was later used as a work train crew car. The old maroon CP passenger cars are such a classy sight. Love to see them so lovingly preserved in their original colours. It makes me think of my grandfather, a rolling stock mechanic, who might have worked on this coach at some point in his years working for CP.

 

I did get some shots of the other pieces of the museum's collection in my previous visit in 2016. You can see those shots in this post and in this post

I was disappointed, after my visit, to learn that the museum had ex-Via Bombardier locomotive 6917 that was not yet on display. Having been a kid when those modern looking units prowled around the corridor, it would have been a real treat to see one again, but alas, it was not anywhere visible, as it remains at Via's Toronto maintenance centre, awaiting more cosmetic work. Next time, hopefully. I read that it is one of only two LRC locomotives that have been preserved. The other is at Exporail in Quebec.

All in all, it was a fun trip to the roundhouse. I even made sure my wife got a shot of me on one of the old GP7. It was fun to share my passion with my family for a few minutes.



8 comments:

J. P. said...

the maroon cp switcher is not part of the TRHA collection and is originally from Vancouver Island and it number is 7069 i think they are storing it there for the owners

Michael said...

That's why I float those questions out there. Someone always knows! Thanks for the info, JP.

Eric said...

I would give CN a few years on dieselization, Michael. I think the advent of the first cab units were in 1948. I know CLC here in Kingston was still building steam and diesel units, albeit much steam for export to India and elsewhere. Definitely there were lots of diesel switchers making inroads. We rode in the CPR solarium car Cape Race during the 1979 CNR 6060 trip to Gravenhurst. At the time, I was a UCRS member, and it was the club's car at that time. The vinegar car (I want to call it a pickle car for some dilly of a reason), CN caboose and dental car knocked around on the waterfront for a long time until they got in the way and were adopted out to various museums or possibly some scrapped. One time in Toronto Union Station I heard an announcement about buses boarding on Bremner Boulevard and I wondered, how have I never heard of that street after knocking around here for many layovers? It was a manufactured street built after Spadina and the railway lands were redeveloped. The collection is indeed a good one to have so accessible. My only regret in that area is the disappearance of the free 4-ounce samples one could get at the Steamwhistle Brewery!

Looks like you had a good trip with something for everyone!
Eric

Michael said...

Thanks for the clarification, Eric and the additional info. I always suspected Bremner was a more recent road, knowing that the railway lands in the downtown would likely not have accommodated a thoroughfare there. Why does in not surprise me that the former government railway was a little later in dieselization than I thought?

Kevin from Windsor said...

I wasn’t aware that GO Transit had a “rainbow era” like VIA and Amtrak. I did extensive research about GO for a Grade 13 urban geography project in 1982 and found no evidence of using castoff equipment. They started with the purpose built single level cars like the coach featured at the museum. They borrowed some double-decker coaches from CP Rail in the 1970s to evaluate prior to designing their current fleet. CP was still running commuter trains in Montreal under their own brand at the time. Then GO ordered their own double-decker coaches which became the fleet standard. The only castoffs in the literature I surveyed might have been a small fleet of Rail Diesel Cars that were used early on for off peak midday and weekend service on the original Lakeshore line. I don’t think anyone was building new Budd cars by then, so they were likely inherited from CN or CP. Maybe I didn’t get the whole story, or maybe the GO PR department didn’t want to admit to it? Anyhow, if you’ve got some literature/website/photos on this, I’d love to read up on it! (Amazing what GO would mail to a teenage railfan/geography student in response to a simple letter back in the day. They even included an 8 1/2 “ x 11” colour glossy photo of their “new” trains. I still have it somewhere.)

Kevin from Windsor said...

Fun GO Fact 1 - In 1980 the Republican National Convention was held in Detroit. Much of the media and support staff stayed in downtown Windsor. The province setup an industrial trade show on Windsor’s riverfront, which still had an active rail yard at the time. They brought in a new GO Transit double-decker coach for the media and convention delegates to tour in hopes of selling a few to U.S. commuter agencies, which they ultimately did!

Kevin from Windsor said...

Fun GO Fact 2 - In the mid-1980s, VIA made a fortune selling weekend package tours to Toronto to Michigan residents. The trains would often sell out and VIA would co-opt double-decker GO Trains for their Windsor - Toronto service to handle the extra crowds. ….. Early 80s VIA had 5 round trips per day between Windsor and Toronto, with 6 on Fridays and Sundays for a while!

Steve Boyko said...

Confirmed that the maroon CP switcher is 7069. The builder's plate says "The Baldwin Locomotive Works 73946. Baldwin Westinghouse Phila. U.S.A. Sept - 1948"